On behalf of Triad, I wish to clear up a few misunderstandings that we have seen arise in response to our latest non-release.
It has come to the attention of Triad as a whole that our efforts for the anime community have started to be perceived as a "non-speedsub" effort, which is a word that carries a heavy negative connotation both to us, and to most of the community in general.
Watch us care.
Here are our credentials: ..!.,
Blah blah blah, more filler text, tl;dr.
Suck it up, yesy. People watch your releases and archive ours. Cry moar.
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No. 1708 Anonymous April 4, 2007 00:36 |
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... what? Some people don't have a choice. If you have to direct-download, most DD places only serve the first sub to come out. :( |
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No. 1709 Anonymous April 4, 2007 00:43 |
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lol dun hav to get mad, my friends dl the ones from yesy and theirs r as gd as urs they skip almost or maybe even all the -chan, -kun, -san so u all r still the best they cant compare to u guys triad rocks |
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No. 1710 LordBrian April 4, 2007 00:53 |
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I don't really know what you're going on about, but this newspost was in response to http://yesy-fansubs.net/board/viewtopic.php?t=1215 . |
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No. 1711 Anonymous April 4, 2007 01:33 |
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In during fansub drama. Who cares, show a bit of loyalty to a sub group. The whole concept of "watch X's first, archive Y's later" is just a slap in the face to *both* groups, but you know how the mongloids want to have their cake and eat it too. You know with mongloids I'm talking about. >_> |
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No. 1712 Anonymous April 4, 2007 02:09 |
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Anonymous supports Triad, if only for the lulz. We like bitter assholes more than self-righteous pricks anyway. |
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No. 1713 Anonymous April 4, 2007 02:09 |
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Triad is fucking awesome, and I'll download your release when it comes around. lol LQ raws. |
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No. 1716 Anonymous April 4, 2007 04:43 |
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I like watching something that doesn't look like it was done on DivX 0.9 beta, with proper English that doesn't have traces of Japanese syntax. Anonymous proclaims this thread to be QUALITY, and therefore worthy of much lulz and drama. Insert more shoe shining about Triad's pros and every other speed subbing group's cons, etc. |
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No. 1717 Anonymous April 4, 2007 06:17 |
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I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by watching The Triad's releases. |
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No. 1718 Anonymous April 4, 2007 06:42 |
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even if its not speedy or first yours is better and im waiting for yall's version to watch it so im still in the dark =) |
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No. 1719 Anonymous April 4, 2007 07:56 |
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wow Nice mature comments. I'll be archiving yesys or #nanoha's version now. |
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No. 1720 Anonymous April 4, 2007 08:52 |
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This is quite annoying, this is the first time I have seen such nonsense over such a thing. If the folks at Triad will forgive me but why don't you all stop being so sensetive about this and grow up. This is not aimed at Triad directly but to EVERYONE! I have seen both seasons released by Triad in the past, and have seen the newly released "first episode of the third season" from yesy a few days ago. In my opinion BOTH groups have very good subbing skills and are doing wonderful work with their releases. Frankly speaking I don't care which names Triad or yesy use for the characters or intellegent devices in the series so long as the subs are understandable. I can understand where Triad is coming from by wanting to be consistant and yesy wanting to stick with what the actual names are on the Japanese site. What matters here folks is quality and right now there are no good quality raws to work with... for anyone! As of now yes, yesy was the first group to release episode one of the series but with a piss poor quality raw. If you've gone to their site then I am sure you already know that is just a quick fix for the impatient asses whom can't wait a few days for better quality to come along... yes I myself am one of those impatient asses! Triad is waiting for a high quality raw to come along before they start their work, which I am certain will be very wonderful. It doesn't matter which group is better or worse... what matters is being greatful that both groups are putting up with everyone's shit and doing this work technically for free! I can understand that this is a series that everyone has been waiting for since it was announced... myself included, but show some respect and be thankful that these groups didn't cut this series from their project list because of this crap! If you wanna help Triad or yesy out then try being patient and wait like everyone else, or donate or go do something... just stop this nonsense already and let these folks do their work in peace. I apologize to Triad for using such language on their site, and I look forward to their upcoming release... hopefully they'll still do it! |
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No. 1721 Anonymous April 4, 2007 09:53 |
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lol fansub drama |
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No. 1722 LordBrian April 4, 2007 10:47 |
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You say that out of such anger, like we see it as a lost sale or something. Protip: we have no way of knowing who saves what, so it doesn't affect us either way. |
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No. 1723 LordBrian April 4, 2007 10:49 |
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We have nothing better to do until a better raw comes out anyway, so it's not like I could have spent the 30 seconds it took writing the newspost doing something better. YHBT |
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No. 1724 Anonymous April 4, 2007 11:11 |
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I'm sure there are people out there who are nice and wait for your subs without watching them some where else first. Like me. And if people are to impatient to wait for your awesome subs to come out thats their problem.I'd rather have to wait and get really good subs then get them fast and have them suck. |
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No. 1725 Anonymous April 4, 2007 12:05 |
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Assholes? Self-righteous pricks? That pretty much describes both groups. |
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No. 1727 Anonymous April 4, 2007 13:12 |
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quality>speed always, shitsu... I mean speedsubbers need to die. |
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No. 1728 Anonymous April 4, 2007 14:23 |
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lol i still laugh at all of you people that are calling yesy speedsubbers. it's quite apparent you've never watched a yesy release. |
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No. 1729 Anonymous April 4, 2007 15:14 |
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FANSUBS: SERIOUS BUSINESS |
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No. 1730 Anonymous April 4, 2007 16:39 |
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be patient for a few days for a better raw? if you consider 11 days a few days sure... from what i hear nanoha wont air in 720p for 11 more days so :D |
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No. 1732 Anonymous April 4, 2007 18:08 |
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My life and many others' would be significantly worse without fansubs |
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No. 1733 Anonymous April 4, 2007 18:39 |
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Actually everyone I know watches your releases and archives DGz's. |
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No. 1734 Anonymous April 4, 2007 18:54 |
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Yes, that is certainly an issue here, but it shouldn't be attributed to the Triad. I'm sure yesy's translation, editting and timing are top notch, but it's very clear to see where their priorities lie. It's to the leechers. I mean... the Non-japanese anime community. They place quality high on their list, I won't fault them that. The bottom line however is that they chose to release their work using a crappy raw. Why? Because of the rabid leechers. Speed still came before quality regardless of the fact that no one had access to a HQ raw. Why attach your name to such a low quality raw just to appease some pissant who can't wait another week to see his favourite ex-lolis spew some bad engrish? They sold out on a free product. Sure, they can feel benevolent about the whole thing for being the first group to bring a high quality translation to the fans, but it's just the translation. People are watching the show for the content, not reading the script from a book or listening to Drama CD. There's no reason to bother muxing your script into the crappy footage other than to cater to the Speedsubbing crowd. And therein lies the issue. Yes, "speedsubs" is a negative term. Who watches them? People who have the patience of a flea and don't give a damn if they're watching three blobs on a screen shooting neon blotches at each other. Isn't it bad enough that a leecher like that is going to rob an Animation studio of its money, that he's got to slap them in the face too and say "I don't care how well you animated it, as long as I don't have to wait." This is the crowd that yesy is catering to when they release using a crappy raw. And as the saying goes, if you lay with dogs you're going to wake up with fleas. They are getting their just deserts by being labelled as "speedsubbers". |
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No. 1735 Anonymous April 4, 2007 19:16 |
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damn did they really hand to put a 5000 word essay to say they are not speed-subs. ok so they are quality speed-subs. SO WHAT? PS one funny thing the posters signature reads like this: i'm in charge of nothing. ignore me, because everything i say is wrong. |
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No. 1736 Anonymous April 4, 2007 19:36 |
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HD RAW: http://tokyotosho.com/details.php?id=63543 Hope this helps |
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No. 1737 Anonymous April 4, 2007 19:43 |
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nope upscaled raws suck so you weren't helpful at all you are just wasting time |
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No. 1738 Anonymous April 4, 2007 19:47 |
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How about working on Ryu? |
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No. 1739 Anonymous April 4, 2007 19:54 |
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Heheh... some people don't have patience. Triad is light years ahead of yesy, so I prefer waiting for a good work, with a HQ video than see a poor done job. |
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No. 1741 Anonymous April 4, 2007 20:12 |
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Lol that was to long, didn't read it past the first paragraph. What did he try to say? Does it even matter? |
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No. 1742 Anonymous April 4, 2007 20:15 |
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I, for one, prefer to wait to watch the fansub from our Triad overlords. |
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No. 1743 LordBrian April 4, 2007 22:08 |
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That one needs to wait for Assmo to get back. It's high on the priority list, though. |
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No. 1744 Anonymous April 4, 2007 22:22 |
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I was unaware that Cyprene (Tellu54) was "highly regarded among translators as being one of the best, if not the best". That tells me all I need to know about their "quality". He is better than their other two translators though. =\ |
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No. 1745 Anonymous April 4, 2007 23:40 |
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Watched Nanoha (S1) from Triad Watched Nanoha A' (S2) from Triad Going to watch Nanoha StrikerS (S3)HQ from Triad when released better to keep with such things as Raging heart instead of rising heart... Even though rising heart is official name, its not the same when Nanoha says it in anime. So with things as that im staying with Traid. Dont wanna go to another fansub for just speed of release. Quality > Speed yesy is just trying to get attention... if they really want attention they should just let Triad sub StrikerS since they subbed the last 2 seasons |
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No. 1746 Anonymous April 5, 2007 00:37 |
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"Suck it up, yesy. People watch your releases and archive ours. Cry moar." That last line sums it all up in terms of what I look in fansubs. I don't mind waiting a bit more for my anime if it means it delivers quality. And archiving is a given. ;) |
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No. 1748 Anonymous April 5, 2007 09:49 |
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All i can say is that i haven't even watched the first or second season yet, but since triad did those two i will wait to watch strikers from them as well given that they do sub it and it doesn't get randomly licensed. I'm an archiver plain and simple and while some may say this is a bad thing, i give my fansubs and stuff to my friends and those who don't have internet good enough to download anything, so while i may watch speed subs occasionally when i archive it allows my friends to have the highest quality copy, which in most cases is Triad for the given series. |
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No. 1749 Anonymous April 5, 2007 13:29 |
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This is the best comment on the whole affair I've read in the last two days, and I'll have to agree wholeheartedly with the points made. |
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No. 1750 Anonymous April 5, 2007 13:38 |
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Quality over speed. NEVA4GET! |
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No. 1751 Anonymous April 5, 2007 16:02 |
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whats so bad about non-speed sub? i really fucking hate those speed sub groups. i perfer triad who takes their time. why is that a bad thing? |
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No. 1752 Anonymous April 5, 2007 17:50 |
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It's a joke... |
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No. 1753 Anonymous April 5, 2007 17:59 |
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triad ftw i've archived only your subs for nanoha <3 |
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No. 1754 Anonymous April 5, 2007 20:15 |
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I honestly don't understand how people can say things to the effect of 'if you think yesy are speedsubbers then you clearly haven't actually watched anything they've released' with the implication that yesy are a top-notch group with a specialisation in releasing quickly. I can imagine that a decent proportion of leechers may not realise (or just not care) that the gap in quality between yesy and a large number of actually decent groups, but for the people who do it's a huge gap that can go so far (depending on the person, I know they make me retch) as rendering their releases watchable only in desperation. For what it's worth, Eclipse do a much better job at the whole 'quality speedsubbing' malarcky, but I find them to be grossly overrated. There are plenty of groups I'd follow in favour of them, speed or not. But really, this whole 'yesy is quality, not QUALITY' bollocks is as wrong as it always has been. I'm happy for speedsubbers to exist, and they serve a useful position in the fansubbing community, but they shouldn't bitch about getting more respectby arguing that they're something that they're not. |
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No. 1755 Anonymous April 5, 2007 20:40 |
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I will wait for Triad's release like the faithful bitch I am. I only watched Triad's version of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. Since there were months at a time where I waited, I can wait for this release as well. Triad has continued to rock for years now so if all these speedsubbers want to release there shit before you guys, let them. I'll wait for good shit that kids go for. |
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No. 1757 Anonymous April 6, 2007 05:15 |
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Some people just don't get it. We know that we are getting it for free, but that does not mean we will accept any bullshit thrown at us. Some of us who are remotely intelligent do not wish to sit through a massacre of both the Japanese and English languages. Let the impatient ones watch what they want, let those who want a commendable job wait if necessary. |
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No. 1758 Anonymous April 6, 2007 05:16 |
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Eclipse? Speedsubbers? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You couldn't be more mistaken. They are way above anything that looks remotely speedy. They are good, but they are fast, so lots of idiots mistake them for speedsubbers. |
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No. 1759 Anonymous April 6, 2007 11:44 |
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Good old reflex you've got there. Someone mentions Eclipse in a poor light and you have to hit back with assuming I'm a retard who knows nothing about them other than their speed, and certainly hasn't watched their work on multiple series. You missed my point entirely by taking what I meant the wrong way. It's your own damn fault for immediately reading 'speedsubbers' as meaning crap when I specifically attached 'quality' before it to imply a group aiming for both speed and quality. My point was that, as good as Eclipse may be at balancing speed with quality, they're still not nearly as good as a large number of groups out there. They do a good job for what they do and I'm happy for them to keep on doing it (and wish that all speedsubbers could manage what they put out), but they're freakishly overrated in terms purely of quality. |
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No. 1760 Anonymous April 6, 2007 15:03 |
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i like how you claim that yesy has a huge gap in quality between them and the "decent" groups. unless you're referring to the video quality, which was explained by the fact that they released on the best raw available for those that wanted to see StrikerS 1 A.S.A.P, then i'd have to assume you haven't watched their release. their translation is near perfect, their english *is* perfect, and their typesetting/karaoke/timing is nothing to shake a stick at. there's a reason they were considered better than Static-Subs, and you surely must remember how much people praised them for being the highest quality fansubber, since you know so much about quality fansubbing. |
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No. 1761 Anonymous April 6, 2007 15:24 |
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like karaoke has really anything to do with fansubbing this is where you start failing... karaoke if anything is a bonus it doesnt need to be there if you feel like singing along go to a karaoke bar second i have to venture a guess that your japanese is very limited so im guessing you dont know much about the translation which is also where you are failing next timing hmmmm you probably dont know much about this so you fail there typesetting any moron can find if it looks good it goes so you might be able to find that out |
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No. 1762 Anonymous April 6, 2007 15:36 |
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I hope your Japanese is better than your English. |
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No. 1763 Anonymous April 6, 2007 15:46 |
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お前は馬鹿野郎 |
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No. 1764 Kanna April 6, 2007 15:50 |
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Stopping short of writing an essay and trying to make you read another yesy post. I'll finish this off as quickly as I can. I don't see how their focus is on quality if they knew better raws were coming later. How about instead of whoring themselves to everyone and putting out something they know is shit, they instead just wait? But hey, if they like being everyone's bitch, so be it. You know what the community calls groups who put out content as soon as possible? Speedsubbers. You surely jest about their translation? Lovely title they had for Utawarerumono; right next to "Shadow Warrior Chronicles." How about their English? "i'd have to assume you haven't watched their release" Taken straight from their StrikerS release "If we do it together, we'll definitely be able to do it." If you don't know what's wrong with that sentence, please stop skipping English class. By the way, assumptions are bad. "you surely must remember how much people praised them for being the highest quality fansubber" And you surely must remember we don't care. Just because something is popular doesn't make it right or true. Black Eyed Peas and Nickelback are popular and the former won some useless awards, but it doesn't mean they're good. |
